Is the Kurt Cobain Murder Investigation Being Reopened? (Note: This Whole Thing is Total Bullshit)
Really? Wasn’t this settled long ago? Apparently not. At least not for a bunch of deluded crazies.
I can’t even begin to tell you how much reading and studying I’ve done on the subject and for the record, I firmly believe that Kurt Cobain killed himself after giving himself a fatal (or near-fatal) dose of heroin and then shooting himself in the head with a Remington shotgun. Yes, some may point to some anomalies, but virtually all of them can be explained away with forensic science.
Fact. Case closed. Move on.
But some people will never be satisfied and have been agitating for the case to be reopened. This website–one that has more than a whiff of whacko conspiracy about it–insists that something to that effect is about to happen. These people are crazy trolls.
From United Media Publishing.
SEATTLE – Reports out of Seattle suggest the worldwide movement to reopen the 1994 Kurt Cobain death investigation is finally paying off. Either new evidence has come to light, or the Seattle Police Department wants to quell all rumors and conspiracy theories surrounding Cobain’s death and put a lid on the 21-year-old case for good.
Anonymous sources within the department are saying an announcement on the case is forthcoming and likely to include new details recently discovered that warrant a re-examination of the evidence file. This will mark the first significant move on behalf of the SPD to take investigatory action into a case riddled with what some say lazy police work, a total lack of follow up on possible motives/leads, and a rush to judgement in concluding Cobain’s death was an open and shut case of suicide.
Uh-huh. I’ll believe it when I hear it from the Seattle PD. Like I said, total bullshit.
Explained away with forensic science? Then let those experts do just that.
They have. Again and again. It’s the conspiracy theorists that refuse to believe what actually happened.
They have, when, where was complete and substantial forensic science used within this case?
Using this phrase “conspiracy theorists” has about as much merit as you hold against those you label it with. Which is peppered but never really validated, imho.
So there’s no concrete evidence for murder and yet certain events/things pull the focus away from suicide (a possibility come’on). Enough can be said from both sides of the argument to hold opinion.
Does that not make it a credible concern for re-investigation? Is that much agreeable?
Not so much to put a case to rest but because the argument exists.
Why is it a bad thing to reopen this case?
Because it’s been settled long, long ago. All the principles in the case–including Kurt’s family (including his mom and sister) and his ex-bandmates–have all accepted the conclusions of suicide.
So what if they accepted it then or still do now. That’s a stupid reason to believe a man murdered himself. There is zero evidence that Kurt killed himself when compared to the evidence that he was killed. You can thank crazy Courtney for hiring a P.I. that knew something was amiss within days of being hired.
Er, no it isn’t. There’s plenty of evidence that points to this as a suicide; you’re just choosing to ignore it because it doesn’t fit with your murder theory.
Dude, I’ve read every scrap of evidence and followed this one from day one. I believed in the murder idea for a bit, but the more time I spent with the case, the less credence I gave.
And as I’ve pointed out many times before, if the authorities had enough evidence to proceed with charges, they would have done so. It would have made some cop’s/detective’s/department’s CAREER if they could blow this one wide open. The motivation for uncovering a celebrity murder is HUGE.
Yet nothing’s happened. Even Kurt’s mom and Aunt Mari–the two non-Courtney women closest to him in his life–haven’t pushed for reopening a murder investigation. Are you saying that they’re part of the coverup conspiracy?
You have read every scrap of evidence?So you believe that Courtney Love REALLY didn’t know that Kurt was seen at the house on April 2nd?
You think it’s not suspicious that both Cali and Jessica Hopper were in the house when Kurt died,but left the house before his body was discovered?
What about the fact that the story of Jessica Hopper last seeing Kurt Cobain and him kidding her about her shaved head happens on two different days in two different books?
In HEAVIER THAN HEAVEN Kurt appeared at the foot of Cali’s bed on April 2nd and joked about Jessica’s shaved head,right when he got back from rehab.That means that Courtney Love HAD to have known that Kurt had been seen there.
In Everette True’s book published a few years later,Jessica Hopper claims that Kurt appeared beside their bed and said the shaved head thing on April 5th,which would be probably the day he died.
So he died most likely on April 5th,Jessica Hopper left on April 6th,and Cali left on April 7th…………
That doesn’t sound highly suspicious to you?You think that this sounds like a typical suicide?
You don’t think Courtney Love benefited from Kurt’s death financially?You don’t think that Courtney Love is the type who could pull something like this OFF?
She had the motive,the manipulative ability,and the funds to pay people off.In the recordings we can hear her thoughts and actions at the time of Kurt’s death.She SAYS that Kurt possibly wants a divorce,and she SAYS that could screw up her money situation.She ADMITS to paying people to plant stories in the news.We can HEAR her ability to weave intricate lies,we can HEAR her lack of true concern for Kurt,we can HEAR her admit to making up lies about her actions back then,like using a false name to file a police report…………………..
That movie blew this entire thing wide open,everyone can hear that they were lied to about this situation,and they are eventually going to have to actually take a closer look at this because the people who believe that this was an open and shut case of suicide seem to be in the minority now.I know that I ALWAYS thought it was suicide until I saw the evidence………….
When people see all of the REAL evidence,and not just the original lies that came from Courtney,they know something is WAY off with that entire situation.it’s obvious that the police jumped to conclusions without examining the evidence.
All hail king douche nugget Alan, interviewer of bands and knower of all things. No need to think for yourself, Alan has that covered. Fact. Case closed.
Er, what? Just because I don’t gree with your point of view just as much as you disagree with mine? That’s a bit weird, don’t you think?
What of the remarks from former Seattle Chief of Police Norm Stamper?
I remember the day I heard about his death. Alan you announced it on CFNY the Edge.
So you can have 3 times the lethal dose of heroin in your system, grab the shot gun, position it and pull the trigger. Suuuure. Not enough time to pull that off, I don’t care how hardcore of a heroin user he may have been.
The only thing I see as total bullshit is your article. Tell your bestie Courtney hi.
Yeah, you can–if you’re that hardcore of a junkie. And he was. I’ve spoken to plenty of people about the case and they’re of the same opinion. Have you spoken to any heavy-duty heroin and drug user about tolerance? Yes, he injected three times the lethal dose for a regular person, but for someone who has been using junk daily for years, he had a little leeway. It can take a while for the smack to have an effect on such a person. All he needed was 30-60 seconds to shoot up (he was VERY practiced at that), pack away his gear (ditto) aim the gun (he knew how to handle guns) and pull the trigger.
As for the allegedly different handwriting on the suicide note, have you ever tried to write out something in longhand when you’re under extreme distress and about to kill yourself? If you stop writing for a while and then pick up the pen again to jot down some lines SECONDS before you knew you were going to blow your own head off, I suspect your penmanship would suffer, too.
The problem is that people expect real life to be summed up quickly and neatly like an episode of CSI. It’s not like that, meaning that everything becomes fertile ground for conspiracies.
Here’s the biggest problem with the murder conspiracy: if someone had concrete knowledge of Kurt’s murder, we would have heard about it by now. Someone would have blabbed. The story is just too big to keep secret. But there’s obviously no THERE there.
Krist Noveselic isn’t interested in any murder stories and he was one of Kurt’s best friends. Dave Grohl isn’t interested, either. None of Kurt’s former managers (and I know a couple of them personally) aren’t interested. And Wendy Cobain–his MOM!–isn’t interested. His Aunt Mari isn’t interested. Unless all these people are in on some kind of coverup together and have made an Illuminati-level pact to never speak about what REALLY happened even after two decades…
And re: the Seattle PD: breaking this cold case would make someone’s career FOREVER. If I were on the force, I’d have been all over this. If I could prove Kurt’s death a murder–if I were the person who proved that one of the most famous rock stars in history was killed by someone–I’d be world famous! Yet there’s been nothing. Or are all the cops in on it, too?
Nope. Sorry. This was just a messy, sad, unfortunate suicide. HOWEVER, if something DEFINITIVE can be proven, I will admit that I’m wrong. But I don’t think that’s going to happen.
It WASN’T a 3 times the lethal dose for a “normal person”,it was 3 times a lethal dose for a hardcore junkie!It was a 75 times lethal dose for a normal person.
The police have now ADMITTED that Cobain had a lethal dose of Heroin in him.Actually,the police said it was “10 times what even a hardcore addict would take.”
There were people staying in the house when Kurt died,but they both left before his body was found.They didn’t just leave the HOUSE,they left the STATE.One of them ,Jessica Hopper,was never even questioned.She was the last person to see Kurt alive,but they never questioned her!Cali Dewitt was only questioned over the phone!
Both Cali Dewitt AND Jessica Hopper happened to get nice music industry jobs after this happened.
To assume that the police would WANT to go back and “break this cold case” is to not understand the mentality of the police……..
The police ruled this a suicide on the same day that they found the body.They are NOT going to look back and admit that they did sloppy police work-that would NEVER happen.
The fact of the matter is that Rosemary Carroll,lawyer to both Kurt AND Courtney and godmother to Frances Bean,was obviously suspicious of Kurt’s “suicide” and obviously thought Courtney had something to do with it.
At the time,Kurt was estranged from his band mates,so they were not aware of what was going on in Kurt’s personal life.Rosemary Carroll DID.
The idea that Cobain could have shot up that much dope,put the little caps on the needles,roll down his sleeves,scoot over about three feet to the left,pick up that long ass shotgun and somehow put it into his mouth and reach the trigger.With a lethal does of Heroin in him?
To assume that someone would have talked by now-WHY?You think someone who had knowledge of or participated in Cobains death would just come out and admit it?WHY would they give up their lives to do that?
And as far as the statement”If someone had concrete knowledge of Kurt’s murder,we would have heard it by now”…………..
We HAVE heard it.That person was Tom Grant,and he DOES have the evidence to show that Kurt did NOT commit suicide.
The people that want this to be like a “CSI” episode wrapped up all neatly are the people who insist that this was a suicide despite the evidence that it WASN’T.
When police see drugs like that,it’s a wrap.They declared it a suicide the same day,before any evidence was processed.That is unacceptable.
Honestly,they just released pictures of the shotgun and I doubt Kurt could have reached that trigger with the barrel in his mouth,the gun has a choke extension on it.
The police NEVER investigated this as if it could have been a homicide,there are recordings of them ADMITTING that,and everybody deserves to know the truth of what happened.The people who were there when Kurt died need to be questioned in person,and all of the evidence needs to be examined.
Rosemary Carroll was as close to the situation as a person could have been,and it’s clear from the recordings that she suspects Courtney Love of having something to so with Kurt’s death.THAT is RELEVANT.
If Kurt would have shot up Heroin before shooting himself,the needle would have been in his arms or lying by his side.Why would he bother putting the caps back on the needle,and rolling his sleeves down if he was killing himself?
There are MANY inconsistencies in this case,and evidence that was never considered,and those ARE legit reasons for reopening this case,and I believe they WILL.
Maybe Kurt DID commit suicide-but it’s a FACT that they rushed to judgement before examining all of the evidence,and that alone is reason to reopen the case,preferably the FBI or some outside organization that has the training and ability to handle a situation like this,because the Seattle Police were NOT.
Let’s agree to disagree on this. You’re never going to convince me and I’m never going to convince you.
That’s because you were probably paid by Courtney to write this article
Hah! Funny.
still bullshit been a fentanyl and heroin user for 14 years so suck it
when u bang a drug like that it hits u like a tain before the needle is pulled out of ur skin everything goes numb u sink back into ur couch and the last thing u wanna do is go load up a shotgun and blow ur brains out fuck id take the rush of h over sexs u feel so fucking good nothing compares to it y the fuck r u gonna kill urself maybe if ur dope sick puking and shitting urself but not when ur on cloud nine like i siaid been a junkie for A LONG time seen alot of junkies die from overdose but dont know one person whos killed them self when high wanted a junkies prospective there u go
There is no record in history of a junkie killing himself after shooting heroin.
Oh, except Kurt Cobain
Did Cali spend his $30,000 he got from Courtney on rehab?
Sure looks like the chickens flew the coup.
Also, don’t forget, JFK was shot by Oswald who was the lone gunman. Can you find Kennedy’s brain? Good Luck
here’s something to think about. If I was going to kill myself, would I buy a shotgun? No. I’d buy a regular handgun. If I was wanting to protect myself and I knew I was a poor shot, I’d buy a shotgun. Kurt was spooked after the Rome incident, and didn’t remember shit about it. He had “roofies” in his system after Rome, he had something similar in his system after his “suicide”. What makes more logical sense is roofies–>heroin–>shot gun
And why would he shoot himself when he was high? I don’t know about you but whenever I was high shooting myself was the last thing on my mind. It’s coming down that’s a bitch.
Good point Fred. Another point about the shotgun is that even if he was planning on the suicide, why would he have his friend Dylan buy it under his name and leave Dylan with the guilt of being the one who bought the gun that killed him? He wouldn’t. Dylan said he bought the gun because the police had confiscated all of Kurt’s guns on March 18th when Courtney called 911 and said that Kurt was suicidal, but there was technically nothing stopping Kurt from buying the shotgun himself..
Man, first of all sorry for my bad English I’m Dutch.
But man I disagree with lots of things, first of all ‘if someone had concrete knowlegde of Kurt being murdered,we would have heard about it by now’. That’s bullshit how can you just “think” that and see it as a fact.
As well for speaking for Krist and Dave and his family.. They can’t just go talk about murder in the media.
I think reopening this case won’t do anything bad, wether it is suicide or murder.
Yes, it should be reopened. The SPD immediately ruled it a suicide and didn’t process any evidence or interview anybody. That’s unheard of – it’s absurd that it was open and shut immediately. There is lots of evidence that needs to be re-examined. The Seattle Police Chief in from 1994 – 2000 said that if he were still the chief he would absolutely re-open the case. Experts from across the country agree.
Just to clarify – Ruled a suicide in 36 minutes, with no further investigation . With a divorce looming and millions upon millions to gain, and she wasnt even questioned as a suspect. Pathetic police work, the evidence supports a collabrorative effort of more then one individual and Courtney Love being heavily involved. How could anyone, fan or not, not want justice to be pursued? Sad that someone who gave the world so much, has been given so much disrespect !
You were bribed to make this article
Nope. Twenty years of following the story.
Don’t listen to the biased opinion he spoon feeds you, just because sometimes tge truth so hard to see that even with facts in front of it they can be deminished out of some sick chance at no longer being washed up reporter for the angery publicity he created or the money that was given to him.
We’ll just agree to disagree. The moment you can disprove everything I’ve outlined, shoot me a comment and I’ll recant everything.
Really? For starters, science is not a “conspiracy theory” and when you have forensics scientists from all over the world saying that he had 3 times the LETHAL dose of heroin in his body (“lethal” for a heroin addict, they are not referring to first time users), then it is impossible for the gunshot wound to have been self-inflicted. Cognitive dissonance much? Or are you just trying to get an ‘in’ with the corporate media on this issue.
Besides, what do you make of the fact that someone was attempting to use his credit card during the 3 days his body laid dead? Suicide or not, how is that not foul play?
I’m not arguing against that Kurt’s last hit was lethal, even for a heroin addict. What I said was that he had a serious tolerance to the drug, which apparently gave him the 30-60 seconds he needed to shoot himself.
Again, let’s see the definitive evidence that this was a murder. Until then, Occam’s Razor applies: he killed himself. As for the use of his credit card, he could have easily given it to someone in exchange for drugs, a way of divesting himself of earthly possession or just lost it.
Sure there are plenty of unanswered questions, but that’s the way life works. “Conspiracy” means that multiple people were in on something and are continuing to cover it up. If this is the case in Kurt’s death, how is it possible?
No. He was not super human and he was smaller than your average female. He could not have pulled this off with that amount of heroin in his body. Thats evidence enough. Without getting into the handwriting practice sheet in courtneys back pack. What do you make of that evidence? It is a little strange…
But there’s no evidence of murder, just some loose ends to the people left behind. If someone can find definitive evidence that he was killed by someone else, I will change my tune 100%. But until such time, I believe wholeheartedly that this was a suicide.
Still have nothing to say about the remarks of Norm Stamper huh? Someone who knows way more about the case then you do Alan.
By all means, reopen the investigation. Get a cop in there. I just don’t think he’ll find anything.
I have watched both Montage of Heck and Soaked in Bleach and weighed everything presented. Kurt was sensitive,depressed, and a hardcore addict yes but I don’t think that means he was going to kill himself I’m sure he thought about it and probably half ass tried in his youth we all are screwed up! But please review all legal evidence presented. Listen to the taped convos. Love is not telling the truth and that is presented in Montage of Heck as well. Could you not tell she was lying in Montage??? There is a reason the rest of Nirvana hates her and her own daughter has a broken relationship with her. I agree that the acting out of the taped convos in Soaked is a little reality tv like but the words are not bullshit those are recorded words. I’m a stay at home mom who lives in middle of Kansas so I’m not part of the rock world other than being a fan but I’m a parent and it would be a shame to let Frances think Kurt killed himself when in fact there was foul play. Montage was a look at the person Kurt was and yes he was screwed up but that’s what was beautiful and real about him. Soaked looks at legal evidence and both show Love is not telling the truth. I hope they reopen it but I won’t hold my breath. The world is corrupt and Love has 100 million dollars at her will.
@alancross We also have to factor in the fact that 2 years of heroin use hardly categorizes you as being a “junkie'”. at 2 years your a casual user your body would not be able to take a dose that big when your pretty much just starting out. Plus Courtney Love also tried to murder her dad as an older teenager. She was also arrested I believe for a ton of tabs of military grade lad going to a concert in London. As a former heavy user of heroin 1 full needle would knock you out in about 45 seconds he also put everything away as well. And when your loaded on heroin or opium any depression and I mean any depression is gone. The need for self violence is pointless.
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Watch documentary Kurt & Courtney has lots of great truth about the conspiracy. Soaked is in my opinion 100% lagit. Courtney is a lier. Reopen the case!!!
The heroin “theory”, after all these years, still shocking me, in a unbelievably negative and sad way about mankind.
Think for yourselves (it’s frre) and this is also for the one who wrote this article:
Any of you have ever read the autopsy report? No and neither Tom Grant.
One newspaper, just one and just once back in 1995 – The Seattle Post-Intelligencer- state, with no evidence, no source at all, no one single person or even an off the record claim, they just state, out of nowhere, that the toxicology study shows that in Cobain’s blood the levels of morphine were lethal.
One newspaper. One yellowish newspaper that now just exist online wrote a sentence 21 years ago and you still believe in anything you read.
Grant has ever said were and how he collected that information? No, because he read it one morning.
i bet anyone who can provide another “source of information about the matter.
I apologize for my bad english, but I write this in a hurry and it isn’t my mother tongue.
The evidence supporting that he was murdered is insurmountable. If you can delusion yourself to the point if believing that he committed suicide when he had no history of suicidal attempts, was in the middle of a divorce, shortly before called his attorney to take Courtney out of his will then you’re going downright ignorant. Even though those pieces only prove motive and intent the inconsistent suicidal note, practiced tracings of a his writing found in Courtney’s possession and the position of the shell casing in contradiction to the position of the firearm all point to another person being in the room. Courtney staged this murder so she could keep the fortune she was about to lose. She obsessively called the rehab facility he was at attempting to salvage their broken relationship and he intentionally avoided her during this period. Courtney not olny killed him bit used the seattle PDs incompetence to her advantage by having his body cremated, melting down the weapon and demoliahing the murder scene. If you’re in any way intelligent you can see this was murder.
I’m sorry, but I don’t know if you’re replying to me or to someone else. Let me know, so I can make the appropriate discharges to what you are exposing.
Greetings and good luck.
We saw everything we needed to see back in 94. You’ll never prove this conspiracy theory, it wasn’t murder.
You’ll never get those pictures released, it’s called an individual’s right to privacy.
And to the people following this crap….it’s been over 20 years, he killed himself, get over it.
You’re right, but this Is not merely about the conspiranoia and the get over it thing. It’s also about the fanatic fundamentalismf a lot of people who, in pursuit of morbo
If you weren’t following it then you wouldn’t have posted here. Just pointing that out.
I don’t follow anyone or anybody except myself and those who I love.
I do like Nirvana music and Cobain as a great composer, but also a very interesting character, you know, I can separate art from those who create that art.
Sade was a great human being? No, but a good writer with an incredible life story.
Kurt Cobain as a person or a human being means nothing to me in terms of day by day reality. I didn’t know him, he wasn’t a relative of mine, he was nothing to me when he died (or it’s also alive playing cricket with Morrison?) and until this day, I enjoy his music, but separately of his life, which it’s pretty interesting, but that’s it, I don’t care for him, I cannot comprehend people who still buying this stuff.
Also I’m a music journalist and I have, for work, to studie his life and no merely I’m books or Internet but also i interview people from the SPD, Tom Grant, BBC filmmakers, his real friends and his “friends”, his family and his wife and, at that time, his almost emancipated daughter.
I’m from Chile and I just do my investigation with no problem at all. I just walked into the SPD and ask, the officers just follow the law and present me everything that they are permitted to do (I cannot read the autopsy report for example), but I saw pictures, films and other stuff that isn’t online in a country in the opposite side of the globe with absolut freedom.
I learn a lot, like something that no one has ever put in doubt, the Remington shotgun series number that Grant put in his website it’s from the future. He just invented a number. I have to travel hundreds of miles to ask in person at the people who are in charge of the registry but you just can send and email or if you are from Seattle, go to the police and ask for information, the legal one who it’s your right to reclaim.
I’m not a fanatic, I do my job and if you have doubts, go directly to the source, in any way, it’s a lot more easier for you.
Did you ever spoke with “Cali” DeWitt, I did, and I just search his number in the phone book, but BBC can’t? They lie.
“He was murdered, there’s a lot of proves and evidence” Show me one, just one.
I wrote here because of the truth and what it’s real and what is just a lie who millions of young teenage stupid kids read with morbo an then believe in the messianic figure of Cobain.
Sorry for the the extension of my post, but I want to put things straight.
Greetings from Chile.
Please work on your language prior to submitting a post again. Your post is a mess. I understand you are from Chile, but please, that was a royal headache.
I just don’t understand how anyone especially today think Kurt committed suicide!! Kurt was happy as ever before his death. He made many plans for his life after divorcing Courtney. Micheal Style plans. Relative plans. He was planning moving away from Seattle & laying low. He had a beautiful blessed baby daughter now as a father myself I couldn’t think of suicide & leaving my kids behind..I’d feel super guilty. Kurt had MANY great reasons to stay alive & things to look forward to & one of them is divorcing Courtney. So Suicide makes absolutely no sense. Back in the day it was easy to buy into the Suicide theory the media controlled what you believed. MTV controlled all news music related then Cnn NBC ect would take info from MTV & spread it to the rest of the world & so on. No of days with social media, internet better forensics & smarter people even 22 years later yes you can reopen the case & still use viable evidence to convict.
No one has even tried. Are you willing to pay a lawyer who demand the State to reopen a case? Please do it.
LoL All it would take is a contribution from the “fans” who “care” to re-open it… Who never thought of that huh?… Guess they dont care that much.
Just think about this: Right now there’s millions of kids (adults too) who believed in this “theory” and want to make “justice for Kurt Cobain”.
Well, now is pretty easy to organize a lot of people and they can open a PayPal account in which people will be able to donate and to pay the most reputated lawyers and forensics in the world.
Real Private Investigators can access to almost every piece of information, even the autopsy report.
But, yeah, Tom Grant, what a great source and “PI”…
Why he didn’t do that? Oh, Courtney, the broken “ex”-junkie who paid the entire Washington State and the media worldwide to remind silent until today is so dangerous that he loses his balls just to think about her.
Anyway, all the best for you and greetings from Chile.
Yeah, well,that’s just like,your opinion, Man!
Look people. Tom Grant is the only real investigator on this case. The SPD botched it big time. They won’t admitt wrong. The review they did in 2014 wasnt a reopening of the case it was just a light gander of what they had. The evidence they have IS enough to reopen the case. Even doing that they were not going to reopen the case anyways. Spd is biased. Tom Grant with Benjamin Statler & forensic experts along with Norm Stamper ALL have stated the case needs to be reopened. Tom Grant has all of his evidence to present to the Seattle police chief. Some new evidence has come to light in the past months. If they reinvestigate this case fully & thourally with a NEW set of unbiased qualified investigators & they find it was a suicide then fine BUT I don’t think they will find it being that. There is to much evidence pointing towards murder. Be unbiased folks…put two & two together you WILL see this was in fact a murder. My gut tells me this case will officially reopen & get investigated sometime in 2017.
What evidence? Real evidence, like, if you want, the so called “three times letal morphine in his blood stream.
That’s is unknown, it was published by one journal in one opportunity without any source. That’s in the autopsy report wich is not for the public, but a legal team with professional forensic can access and if there’s any real prove, they can reopen the investigation.
Do you or all the Grant fans are going to paid for this? Just do it, no one is stopping you, or Grant or the “justice for Kurt Cobain” team.
What evidence? Real evidence? Not speculations.
An if Grant is so professional,how he did not found Cobain alive or dead. “I didn’t see the Greenhouse” twice! Two cars in the entrance just below a building with windows in front of his eyes and he didn’t notice. He never register the cars, wich trained ex police and PI don’t take a look at the cars or not notice the building above them.
What evidence?
There’s tons of evidence. The SPD admitted he had 10 times the lethal dose..10 times. In 94 some toxicology reports of his blood morphine level leaked. Thats all proof & evidence you ask. Plus there is no way for Kurt to inject that much heroin & then roll his sleeves down put away his drug paraphernalia then grab a good & shoot himself. Oh..the shot gun shell was on the opposite side of the port. So many inconsistencies. Then you look at Courtney Loves behavior…how do you explain that suicide verdict thinking people? I could go on & on. It’s common sense & logic. No one is paying anyone for any of this. The only person that paid people is Courtney Love.
You said it was leaked, so, as logic demands, it’s now available for anyone to see, can you give me the link?
Courtney Love was or is (I don’t know) a junkie, just like Cobain ¿Can you explain Cobains behavior?
Love was in LA at the time of the death (I’m supposed we agree that Cobain is dead, cause there’s also people who believe he fake it all) common sense don’t fit in Grants theory: Cobain jumps Exodus wall and the rest it’s all synchronicity, perfect like a Swiss clock.
Please, show me that leaked information (a leaked document necessarily have to be claimed as official) I’ll be the first in do what I stated before, do anything necessary to reopen the case.
I wish Alan would take the time to respond to more of the arguments here, but I imagine he’s probably tired of the debates. I see both sides can be right, but a lot of people are talking about the amount he has being three times the norm of what kills addicts. Can someone verify this? I found an article at drug-overdose.com that eads,
“Depending on purity and the user, a lethal dose of heroin may range from 200 to 500mg, but hardened addicts have survived doses of 1800mg and over. However, with street heroin there is no absolutely certain “safe dosage”. It depends on tolerance, amount and purity taken. Overdose can occur when a dose taken is greater than that you’re used to. A tolerable dose for an addict could be fatal to a first-time user. Tolerance to heroin in particular is quickly acquired. Even occasional weekend users need to take more to get the same effect over time. Tolerance can drop. Some users have overdosed on their ‘regular dose’, after just a few week’s break.”
There’s really only two arguments I have that suggest he was murdered.
First, the way the shotgun shell landed. It landed on the side opposite of the way the shell is ejected from the barrel. He would have had to shot himself with the shotgun holding it in a position near impossible to pull the trigger for a sober person, let alone someone with that much heroin in their system. The way the shell landed suggests, according to forensic science, that someone was standing above him and put the barrel in his mouth, then pulled the trigger and dropped the shot gun.
Secondly is the fact that Courtney kept insisting he was at the house, she was caught lying several times, and then magically on the day he was found, she called an electrician to go look into putting security lights in the greenhouse, a section of her home that was never used. I can just see her slapping her own forehead every time the police reported he wasn’t there, and her calling an electrician to go to the part of the home she knew he was lying dead in.
Those are really the only two reasons I think it should be reopened. Her behavior during the entire ordeal was suspicious.
Exactly, Rosemary Carroll, the attorney at the time for the Cobain’s, stated that on the day Courtney stayed (and left the backpack with the cheat-sheet) that she heard Courtney on the phone with Dylan Carlson, telling him to make sure he checked the greenhouse. The greenhouse, as we know, was not checked, and on April 6th, amid her rehab in her lavish hotel, a missing husband, and soon to be released album, the she thinks to call Veca Electrical to have them install motion lights on the very structure that her husband was lying dead in. Strange? Nah, this is all normal to Alan.
Science does not lie. Where was the back-spatter? This was an intra-oral discharge. The shotgun barrel was placed in his mouth against the hard pallet. The 8-shot pellets from the shotgun blast remained inside the head. This was a penetrating wound with no exit. A 20 gauge shotgun produces a blast ranging from 980-1200 feet per second. This would cause a medium to high force impact spatter that would have been visible on Cobain’s shirt, hand, watch, arm, and all over the shotgun. Not only was there no back-spatter, there was no gunshot residue (GSR) found on Cobain’s left or right hand. The skull cavity has a volume of approximately 1 1/2 quarts. Since there was no exit wound from the skull, at least several gallons of gases would have pumped into, and then released back out of it instantaneously, spraying the hands, shotgun, arms, and body. But there was none present. The mere fact that Cobain was not drenched in blood from his nasal cavities, and mouth says a lot. This tells me that there was absolutely no heartbeat when the shotgun discharged. I’m not a forensics specialist, but this is common sense forensics and science.
I agree with you 100%. What I have always found fascinating is people who believe in the suicide theory have absolutely no explanation about Courtney Loves behavior. The practice sheet in her back pack. Rosemary Carroll’s suspicion about Courtney. The shot gun which they believe what the police state about it flipping upside down when fired & I can tell you that 20guage shotguns DO NOT flip when fired. I know this because I own 4 different 20 guage guns very similar to Kurt’s & I have shot them hundreds of times in the past 25 years. Also people on the suicide theory believe there was no blood spatter because they say Kurt had a hard head. His head was no different than any other human beings. There was no spatter because he WAS already dead! Dead people don’t shoot guns. Greiving widows don’t act in the way CL did. If she was innocent & everyone thinks she was the mastermind a normal person would sue the frick out of everyone but she doesn’t. So..There is so little evidence pointing to suicide. Every avenue leads to foul play. Bottom line is you will never tell or convince a government agency that they screwed up..Never!
What was the practice sheet again? I always thought Cali and his fake note was compelling evidence.
Practice sheet was found in Courtney’s ba know pack she left at Rosemarys house. It had miscellaneous stuff of hers & the hand written letter practice sheet like if you were gonna try & forge a letter.
He was murdered!
Alan, always been a big fan. I don’t think anyone can say with certainty one way or another. I’ve recently watched Soaked in Bleach and I think even the most hard pressed people who share the same thoughts/opinions as yourself would have to admit that there’s definitely something going on here. You cannot just ignore the evidence/audio tapes as well as multiple homicide and forensic scientists opinion that somethings a muck. I too figured it was simply suicide and yes even Dave Grohl did say “he killed himself”. However, when you see how messed Courtney was/is and what she was potentially capable of it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Kurt’s friends and family are worried of the potential consequences or carnage she could cause if they in fact did share their true beliefs. History is full of people who are “too scared to testify”. I completely respect your opinion but again, there are some really damning facts that cannot just be cast aside and ignored.
In my opinion it is EXTERIMLY stupid for you’ve to say he shot himself after injecting himself with heroin because FYI it was THREE TIMES THE LETHAL DOSE meaning he couldn’t have pulled the trigger himself I don’t know who did I believe it wasn’t him because of this as the main reason also his suicide note actually ain’t a Suicide note there was a second note Courtney Love had the she kept for several months after the murder but she let it slip up in a Rolling Stones magazine interview and the second one clearly states that he was just leaving Courtney and moving away from Seattle. I’m not an expert but this case was handled very poorly seeing as how the shotgun he “shot himself with” wasn’t even tested until almost a month after his body was found. AND THEIR WAS NO LEGIBLE FINGERPRINTS ON THE GUN DO YOU REALLY THINK AFTER DOSING HIMSELF WITH HEROIN IN WHICH HE COULDNT PULL THE TRIGER OF A GUN HE COULD REALLY CLEAN THE FINGERPRINTS OFF AND WHY IF IT WAS SUICIDE? There are probably spelling errors in and if there are it’s because I’m mad and typing fast anyways. There’s no evidence pointing towards him killing himself in the case it was just handled very poorly.
Alan,
I respect what you do and your work. I’ve listened for years and now I’m reading your blog as emails arrive daily. Yet your position makes it clear that you don’t have the freedom to talk about things as they are. If it’s not according to the official story you can’t speak out as that would be a consequence affecting your job. This is the same for Krist, especially Dave and if this really is a conspiracy then it would be a threat to the safety of anyone involved to speak. Famous people do get murdered and it happens that there is declassified records connecting some of those murders to intelligence agencies.
How many decades has it been since the C.I.A. started to get involved in killing off public figures? A peace activist who reaches millions fits the description of a public figure. John an activist for freedom being a significant part in the campaign against Vietnam War was shot by a killer. Who knows if the man set to do it was psychologically conditioned to kill him? If Kurt, a public figure who was significant to millions at the time of his death, was shot for reasons unknown at this time, who can speak? even if you knew what did happen you wouldn’t risk it. You are in the public eye and there’s no one who is well known in any field who will speak publicly of anything covered up if they value their life more than the truth.
For this reason I can’t believe when a public figure, say a radio personality, says there is only one possibility to do with a major event that affected so many of us. In this case you repeat the same story we have heard before that you spent so much time looking into it and you’ve concluded suicide.
I believe you when you say you did take the time to look but with all due respect, I can’t believe you when you say you’ve told us everything you found out in twenty years and you’re not free as a media personality to reply with the whole truth of it even if you knew what it was.
Has anybody who have looked over the greenhouse death scene pictures notice anything missing? There was no bottle of water anywhere.. If Kurt was sitting there on the floor getting his fix multiple times, he, like a typical junkie, would have a bottle of water to measure a cap for the shot and to cook up his black tar heroin.
There’s no public autopsy, just the family had access. There’s no public pictures of the morbid part of the death scene. There’ s no evidence at all about any drugs on Cobain bloodstream. Every little detail (like blood spatter or waste of powder for example) it’s unknown to all of us.
Whoever who believes that Cobain was murdered please, name someone who perhaps did it,because one thing is for sure: Love didn’t “pull the trigger or drug his husband”.
Who shot that gun?
Yup no autopsy report available as public record in the state of Washington. Only family members can release it to the public. No pictures of Kurt’s body will ever be shown. I was extremely suprised they allowed pictures of Kurt’s foot, left & right arm showing. No family member wood of allowed that.
The toxicology report with his heroin was actually leaked and the Seattle Police Department two years ago did admit that he had ten times over the amount in his system with valium.
There was no back blood spatter because Kurt was dead when the gun went off. You can see it his pictures that there was no blood on his arm or his shirt.
Courtney was not at the crime scene when it happened she did not pull the trigger. Mike “Call” Dewitt was the killer.
Did you have a link or something to this admission of the SDP stating that, and quote: He has “ten times over the amount in his system with valium”
The oral LD50 (lethal dose in 50% of the population) of diazepam (Valium) is 720 mg/kg in mice and 1240 mg/kg in rats. Multiply that by ten, then count the number of pills and prescribed drugs that DeWitt should had to carry without nobody noticing.
I have no information on deaths caused by intravenous diazepam, but for sure he needed a box of syringes.
I believe you confused Valium with Morphine. Just a simple mistake. But if you had that link, I will appreciate.
Anyway, following your line of thought (which is interesting by the way), there are many things that the coroner saw and should be stated in the autopsy report, like the livor mortis or livor postmortem, that happen about 20 minutes after the heart stops. He had to die in that very place in that exact position. There’s no other way, and that is science.
Rigor mortis was present when the body was found? We can only speculate, but that is essential to determine time of death, like the algor mortis (the temperature of the corpse) or the forensic entomology, he was found on a Greenhouse.
If the coroner did his job this is indisputable: Cobain die right there in that same position doing ten times the letal dose of Heroin, after the heart stop, the corpse could not be moved. If that amount of drugs where used, he he die before metabolizing the other nine times lethal dose of Diamorphine.
If all of this happened, why shoot him? Even without the heart doing his job, blood didn’t coagulate in several hours, two at the minimum. So DeWitt has done all this and waits for hours to, without moving the already in rigor corpse, putting the shotgun in a pretty difficult way and opened fire.
Try to open a hand or the mouth of someone in rigor mortis, it’s almost impossible and he can’t be able to do it without, at least, moving the corpse.
Anyone knows that’s the easiest way to fake a suicide or an accidental overdose in a strong drug user is just leaving a syringe on his arm and nobody will be asking about a yonki who “take too much”.
Sorry for this pergamin, but there are a lot of things that any forensic should noticed, now an then, but as we agree before, that documentation isn’t available for the public, there’s a lot of things to put straight before someone was killed or committed suicide.
Apologies for my English, isn’t my native tongue and I wrote this in a hurry. I hope there’s a bunch of misspelled words.
Good luck, God bless and let me know what you think.
*Hope there isn’t a bunch of misspelled words.
Black and white photo of Kurt Cobain’s head the eyes were out laying next to the right side of the head I saw the big police photo in person held it in my hands from a haircut stylist in Racine I think I still have a copy I shouldn’t be saying this online somebody seriously needs to dig deep into this file there’s evidence out there outside the police department
Don’t get me wrong I know this case should be closed , but I feel like there’s just little more to the story . Nothing with Kurt I believe he commented suicide .
But I don’t believe he was found when the electrician man found him .
I believe Jessica found him in that greenhouse after he had died , told Cali which then called Courtney what to do . Got rid of drugs that were in the house . Stayed in the house untill courtney was able to get a plan together. They left which why jessica threw up looking back at the greenhouse (and made dope sick ) and why she can’t talk about it now Traumatic event . Then Cali was paid not to talk about it , this have Courtney enough time to call someone and Kurt was found . Later when the greenhouse was destroyed guess who destroyed it (ordered by Courtney) but tore down by Calis father .
I feel like Kurt was just found sooner then he actually was why there’s some odd sense people are hiding stuff
Let me know what you think .
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